Right On The Right

-I had David Horrorwitz to think for me. This is your proof that she ain't a commie? I have her actions and deeds backing me up that she isn't. Please. Simple minds indeed.

And if she was a closet commie, soon as she stuck her truely red head out, she'll get it shot off. The system will correct its mistake, if they gave her the staff of power and she smacked those who got her there with it.

Same silliness as when the lefties call out Bush as Hitler and Cheney as....er, Hitler too.

(8 minutes later I came back and edited out 'bullshit' and put in 'silliness' as I don't want to put in any loaded words that may cause this conversation to morph into two people being dicks to each other...even though you may have called me out as a simple mind...)

...she strikes me as one who seems to admire radicalism from afar, but not in practice. You have to concede that her Senatorial life so far as been that of the center-right moderate. And I'll see your Olson and raise you a Bernstein:

"She wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down—because she didn’t think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that time, to be in politics you have to win. And it didn’t look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles."

1966 was a long time ago. She went to Yale for god's sakes, not really a hotbed of leftist indoctrination. just like Dubya. Just like Kerry. Just like all the other running dogs of power. She was paying lip service to Mao when Dubya was allegedly selling dime bags of coke?

Is there really lots wrong with admiring Martin Luther King or Walt Whitman? Seriously? And damn that Debs. Luckily the socialist party was crushed after his runs.

Stop being scared of the 'pinko' Hillary. Her reign will be just as Republican as that of her hubby. You won't pay anymore taxes, nobody is going to take your suburban home and give it to some poor coloreds, you'll keep your guns, the poor will get poorer, the rich will get richer. Biz'ness as usual.

I wish I caught this earlier in the day or I could have given this as much thought as you seem to have.

oh! And I just thought of a zinger about her being a commie while she was sitting on the board of WAL-MART! Another hotbed of socialism there, but then I lost it. I'm tired.

Soros and Clinton are our Lenin and Trotsky.

Horowitz:

"It is possible to be a socialist, and radical in one's agendas, and yet moderate in the means one regards as practical to achieve them. To change the world, it is first necessary to acquire cultural and political power. And these transitional goals may often be accomplished by indirection and deception even more effectively than by frontal assault. ... New Left progressives [such as] Hillary Clinton ... [share the] intoxicating vision of a social redemption achieved by Them ... For these self-appointed social redeemers, the goal -- 'social justice' -- is not about rectifying particular injustices, which would be practical and modest, and therefore conservative. Their crusade is about rectifying injustice in the very order of things. 'Social Justice' for them is about a world reborn, a world in which prejudice and violence are absent, in which everyone is equal and equally advantaged and without fundamentally conflicting desires. It is a world that could only come into being through a re-structuring of human nature and of society itself. ... In other words, a world in which human consciousness is changed, human relations refashioned, social institutions transformed, and in which 'social justice' prevails. ... In short, the transformation of the world requires the permanent entrenchment of the saints in power. Therefore, everything is justified that serves to achieve the continuance of Them. ... The focus of Hillary Clinton's ambition ... is the vision of a world that can only be achieved when the Chosen accumulate enough power to change this one."

Hillary Rodham Clinton: Her Career and Agendas

Rodham was deeply influenced by a 1966 article titled "Change or Containment" that appeared in Motive, a magazine for college-age Methodists. Authored by the Marxist/Maoist theoretician Carl Oglesby, who was a leader of the radical Students for a Democratic Society, this piece defended Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, and Maoist tactics of violence

Yeah, this is a woman who isn't leftist at all.

When McCarthy later dropped out of the Democratic primary, Hillary threw her support behind the Party's eventual nominee, Hubert Humphrey. From that point forward, wrote Barbara Olson in her 1999 book Hell to Pay, "Republicans were the enemy and the enemy was allied with evil -- the evils of war, racism, sexism, and poverty."

And this says nothing of her relationship with the Methodist Church in Park Ridge, of which my family and I were members - until we realized their radical leftist agenda and left.

While attending Wellesley, Hillary Rodham participated in a number of antiwar marches in the Boston area. In 1969 she wrote her 92-page senior thesis on the theories of radical Chicago organizer Saul Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals (1971) and Reveille for Radicals (1947). A great admirer of Alinsky's ruthless activist tactics, Hillary personally interviewed the famed author for her project. She concluded her thesis by stating: "Alinsky is regarded by many as the proponent of a dangerous socio/political philosophy. As such, he has been feared -- just as Eugene Debs [the five-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S. President] or Walt Whitman or Martin Luther King has been feared, because each embraced the most radical of political faiths -- democracy." Ultimately, Hillary's investigation of Alinsky's methods and ideals led her to conclude that the Lyndon Johnson-era federal antipoverty programs did not go far enough in redistributing wealth among the American people, and did not give sufficient power to the poor.

There is more at that article and in Barbara Olson's book.

Barbara Olson, Hell to Pay (Washington, DC: Regnery Publishing, 1999)

You read that book? My god, my man I feel bad for you. I agree with the whole 'know your enemy' thing, but to read her and her ghost-writer's manifesto?...There has to be limits.

I always figured the 'It takes a village' line was just something cute she figured would sound good as a sound bite. And as for taking oil company profits and using them? Using them for what? And she was writing that well before the oil prices of the past two years? I'm more for curbing their profits, which would be a more leftist view. At least she's still willing to let them make profits.

You're right, I guess, when you say she's socialistic. She is right behind the government's socilism as it stands now, she's all for government subsidies, tax breaks, tax shelters, interest-free loans and bailouts to American corporations. That's capitalism, but if you want the masses to benefit, its socialism.

I think Hillary is someone who is enjoys radicalism at a distance (studying it and such), but is smart enough to know who butters her bread.

There are a number of issues on which she sides with Socialism. The idea that it takes a village or that she would TAKE oil company profits and use them (that is Communist). Just read Her Way and you will get an idea. Look at what she studued and who she admired...

Justin, no fitted shirt for me, though that might scare the left to death.

Get a pic of Reagan and a pic of Law and Order Fred and put the captions 'Better Dead than Fred!'
You may have that one for free, my friend!

-I'm just saying, she ain't no commie. Or socialist. Outside of her health care BS from 93 (which was a very capitalistic plan to turn everything over to the insurance companies I believe), what else makes her a red?

...from the man who enthusiastically defended socialism?

--Hillary is about as communist as George W. I realize you needed something to rhyme with Fred, but this is just silly. oohhh, taste the fear!