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Marines cannot be traitors.

SEMPER FI

According to the logic of the pro-war Right, if you think that the mission assigned to the military is wrong, then you are against the troops. This simply implies that the President has become a commander and pope--he is infallible in every assignment he gives the military.

Rather, just as some war criminals use civilians as human shields, so those who equate not supporting the President's assigned mission to the military with not supporting the troops use the valor of our servicemen to shield the President's policies from criticism. This is the same kind of reasoning used by totalitarian regimes in quelling dissent.

In addition, since I have run into quite a few vets and active duty servicemen who do not interpret our protesting of the President's policies as a lack of support for the military. In fact, in terms of personal acquaintances, I have yet to run into one active duty service person who feels that way.

Perhaps you should expand some working definitions to account for the world around you.

Here's how it usually works. The US goes in, displaces someone, hands over the power to someone, they and their army takes over, the US leaves with a win. That's the pattern that's been followed from the early 20th century right up to WW2. It was tried in Vietnam, and I'm sure you've heard the term 'Vietnamization'. That's what that was, slowly turning over power to an native army. That's all the US has to do. Turn it over and leave. That would be the appearance of a win.

You wonder why I can't grasp your concept of a total win, why can't you grasp the concept that we cannot win a counter-insurgency.

I've been nothing but cordial with my posts here, especially with this back and forth with you. You want to keep up with the name calling, this'll be my last polite and adult post to you.

And good job ignoring everything in my post. Just pick and choose.

there is no such thing as second place in war......its win or lose....we either succeed in our objectives over there, setting up a secure and peaceful iraq, or we don't. One is a win, one is a loss.

Why can't you people grasp this simple concept?

Looney? You are seemingly an idiot. And what I said about anonymouse goes for you too......

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of the country can be forced by the population to finesse a way out, that isn't spun as a defeat, his comrades can come home and stop dying.

But its all a matter of getting the political leadership to get them out with dignity and the appearance of a win.

-About protecting the oil. I don't want to pay $10.00 a gallon for oil. Its a changing world, and the US is no longer the lone power who can buy tons of mid-east oil. There's now other options for the producers, China foremost among them. I like the cheap goods that ready, cheap oil gives to ALL of us. But of course, it is never spelled out that way to us. That's not what is told to the soldiers. We're all given this spiel about freedom and democracy and defeating evil and bringing civilization. You were making sense to me at the start of your post, and then descended into the 'you think the US is evil' stuff. I just want to government to stop treating us all like children and explain how the world really works and what must be done to insure our ability to import cheap gasoline and 3 for $5.00 packs of T-shirts.

I haven't demanded defeat of the soldiers. You're assuming this war can be won. And once again you're playing this game of, 'you don't like the war so tell a troop you want them to lose'. It is a counter-insurgency, which is tough-as-fuck war to win, especially when in another country. The only way to win it is like we fought the Philippines War and how it was tried in the Vietnam war, and how the French fought in Vietnam and later in Algeria. You kill and torture them until they can't fight anymore. That's how an insurgency is fought. And the United States, and its soldiers, are too good for that. Read something about insurgencies, and maybe put yourself in a position to accept that this is the kind of war this is.

I think we should have a warrior class in this country. I think they should be overpaid and not taxed. I think they should be able to make as much money as the mercenaries in the private sector. I think that if navy service men have a job to protect oil shipping lanes (which they do all over the Persian Gulf), they should get a cut of the oil profits made due to their making sure the oil gets to the US. Same goes for the guys who'll be sitting in bases in Iraq for the next 50 years, being a presence so Chinese and Russian companies don't get in, they should come home with more than 22,000 a year in their pockets.

The leap of 'you want to protest means you want defeat' still doesn't wash with me. It still makes no sense to me. You can't defend it with any more than a gut feeling and a sense of patriotism. Don't play this fucking game with me. Save that shit for the trolls.

So you advocate your comrades in arms losing on the field of battle? Damn I would hate to have you on my side in a game. And you call yourself a Marine? Advocating the defeat of the finest fighting force ever, demanding their surrender just like osama bin laden does and you can claim to not be anti-american?

Dude, you are a traitor, and your brothers in the field have every right to kick your ass up and down the streets of D.C.

You disgust me, and I am saddened and angry that you ever wore the uniform. You should be ashamed of yourself, you cowardly bastard, and I pray that you are afflicted with guilty sleepless nights and embarrassing and painful conditions in your nether regions.

Go to hell.

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The governments number one job is protecting the country.

Physically, and economically, because without a strong economy we are waek and cannot protect ourselves physically.

What part of this don't you guys understand?

Why do you seem to think that the government doing their job (and may I add the only parts actually outlines in the Constitution) is evil and wrong?

How can you demand the defeat of our troops in the field, which would only bolster our enemies claims and actions?

I defy you to walk up to an active duty soldier and tell them "I care about you so I hope you lose and surrender in defeat so you can come home."

If you are protesting the war you are, by default, demanding our troops defeat in the field. You amy as well be french if you do that.

Asshats.

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Treat Marines with better respect. Don't call us anti-American just because we take a principled stand against the surge.

That's all I ask.

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And strangely enough, the anonymous person who posted the first comment is the one that's out in left field -- I can't find anywhere in the post where Justin called ANYONE anti-American. I guess anonymous is just a troll looking for negative attention -- which it got.

The adults are talking.

SEMPER FI

Kender made points. But you don't have either sense or the intelligence to squeeze together a sensible rebuttal; because there is none, so your excuse for a response is to call him stupid. Did Kender say he sees evil in people like you, or did he say that you're anti-American?

Look: Name that goon:

Who...

* ...claims that Democrats in Congress have failed to listen to the will of the American people to stop the Iraq War by surrendering?
* ...claims that we're sacrificing the blood of American soldiers for the greed of corporations?
* ...considers Noam Chomsky one of the West's greatest thinkers?
* ...thinks that the news media are right-wing tools, loyal to an empire-hungry dictator?
* ... still uses the worn-out "no blood for oil" argument?
* ...blames America for global warming?
* ...loathes capitalism, and thinks we are just pawns to a creeping globalism?

Select from:

1. Keith Olbermann
2. Osama bin Laden
3. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
4. all of the above

The correct answer is...
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bwahahahahaha! Too funny....

Since the most notorious terrorist and enemy of Amerikka in the world sounds just like the others, I think the point is made.

And you've been made, anonymous...

Kender is stuck on stupid; there's no getting through to people who see evil in those like myself who protest the war. I directed my original comment at everyone who can think for themselves.

SEMPER FI

These are silly word games, deflections, so when the people want to force the political leadership away from war, it is made to look like attacks on the soldiers.

Some wars cannot be won. Some wars shouldn't be won. I've been reading about the American War in the Phillipines at the turn of the 20th century and it is amazing how little things have changed in terms of the pro-war folks and they defend war and attack those against. Same games, same bullshit.

The country is many things, and it is rather telling of your mentality that you think that if one is against 'war' they are against 'the country'.

Justin can tell you where to find me, you want to toss someone against the war into a bus. I'm sure the poster you are attacking can defend himself on his own, but I really think your attack was unwarranted and kind of childish.

I generally enjoy your posts, but this one just rubbed me the wrong way.

...then what are you?

When you protest against our troops and want them to run from the field of battle in defeat and surrender you are backing the enemy.

If you back the enemy you are not backing the country.

If you are not backing the country you are anti-American.

And if you are anti-American I hope someone smacks you upside your treasonous head and throws you in front of a bus.

Pinko fucking coward asshole.

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Please do not call war protesters anti-American. Thank you.

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